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Poster: wisconsindead Date: Aug 23, 2011 2:04pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: To those willing - 1990-09-12 - 1st Set Closers

I hear ya. Though if you listen to these two songs, idk how you could think its anything less than great.

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Aug 23, 2011 4:57pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: To those willing - 1990-09-12 - 1st Set Closers

What is it about this music that you find so great?

I took the time to listen and I found this combo mediocre at best. With the exception of a brief mariachi guitar passage by Jerry, it was rather difficult to listen to.

There are a number of much better performances of Althea, and this Spectrum Let it Grow can't hold a candle to any performance of the song from 1974...

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Poster: wisconsindead Date: Aug 23, 2011 5:46pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: To those willing - 1990-09-12 - 1st Set Closers

Oh Cliff, our tastes are so different. Cool to see you took your time to listen, didn't see that coming.

If you read my post with the timing you will hear what I love. Its all perspective, well a good portion. For w.e reason you perspective on this stuff makes you incapable of enjoying it. And my perspective makes me capable of loving it. I am not saying you are close minded. BUt like I hinted at earlier with my lack of enjoyment hearing the DS from 1971-10-31 the first time I heard it, I think perspective of w.e kind has an effect on your ability to hear the good, or hear it as it should be (this certainly goes for all non-dead-heads).

That being said the SBD is a near perfect mix, IMO. Phil is super clear and playing well. Vince is the most impressive I have ever heard him play. His back up vocals are also a nice touch, certainly some of his better work (which isn't saying much). I also enjoy bobby's "cosmic wave" sound as I like to call it. He did much of that stuff in the late 80s that I enjoy, and his guitar sound is, well, obnoxious, and I LOVE IT. I will agree if you don't like his sound, the althea is hard to listen to. Jerry is certainly playing well, idk how anyone could say otherwise. I mean I'm listening to it again for the likely 100th time just to reassure myself that it is EPIC. It is cliff, and I just don't get how you don't see it. The band is playing as a whole, while standing out in their own ways, and its unique sounding (which is important to me)

I also grew up listening to just LIG. Versions like dead set, DP 32, DP 13, without a net (hinting at the perspective thing again). I enjoy a good climax and latter versions do it better than the early ones, period (at least when it comes to LIG). Thats partly why I like the 80s and that 87 Jack Straw we've discussed, and probably why I feel that J straw you love is, to quote you, mediocre at best.

Thanks for taking your time. Too bad we never agree.

Hey you like that other one from 1970-05-02? I think we can agree on that, lmao. Too bad my fellow co-workers didn't think so today.

This post was modified by wisconsindead on 2011-08-24 00:46:19

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Aug 23, 2011 6:01pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: To those willing - 1990-09-12 - 1st Set Closers

"The band is playing as a whole"

I think you are getting this confused with "The band is mailing it in"

How you could consider that performance of LIG even comparable with a performance like Selland (7/19/74) defies logic...

http://www.archive.org/details/gd1974-07-19.sbd.miller.32634.sbeok.flac16

Of course youve already admitted your unfamiliarity with so many important shows, it's pretty obvious you have a great deal more listening to do (particularly of the classics). I recommend you invest in a better pair of headphones or earbuds...

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Poster: wisconsindead Date: Aug 23, 2011 7:16pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: To those willing - 1990-09-12 - 1st Set Closers

It's a shame you tend to bring abrasive commentary. Sailors... Enthusiasm is always nice though. I guess its better than no response right?

And when did I say it was better than your version? I was making a comment on the climactic nature of the latter years which I tend to enjoy. I enjoy 73-74 LIG's and have enjoyed listening to this 74 version. But here at 8:30 in its more like a space jam/DS than it is a let it grow. I enjoy the big bang, the climax, the latter years give you that more with LIG. Not saying I don't enjoy the out there jamming, as thats my bread and butter now-a-days.

And have you forgotten the evolution of these songs Cliff? your suggested LIG and my LIG are worlds apart different, they go through different sequences. Even trying to compare these two versions is silly as they are far different, after 7:30 the song dissolves into a space jam and never returns to LIG. Its a cool jam and all, but its far from climactic nor is the band anywhere near cohesive (at least after 8:00 ish). They are way different.

And being young I've went through my own evolution (which continues to this day), sorry for starting where I did (the 80s). There is plenty I need to learn and hear. But I doubt anything will ever change my opinion on this LIG.

Cheers to another "you're wrong!" discussion the huckster.

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Poster: jerlouvis Date: Aug 23, 2011 9:26pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: To those willing - 1990-09-12 - 1st Set Closers

I think you reached a "madness" point with your review of this awful music.

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Poster: wisconsindead Date: Aug 23, 2011 9:36pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: To those willing - 1990-09-12 - 1st Set Closers

Thanks for your clever response!